The Weekly Sedition

Wednesday, 10 October 2007

Kucinich vs. Ron Paul

Filed under: Politics — Tags: , , , , , , , , — weeklysedition @ 6:44 PM

Roger Kulp wrote on the [Ron Paul] meetup board (Here’s the direct link):

Sorry.But just as I am no longer a libertarian (Call me an an anarcho-Proutist.) ,there is no way I can support Ron Paulanymore.Six months ago,yes,but no more.

To say nothing of the fact,I believe in separation of church and state.I am an athiest.Ron Paul is a blatant theocrat.This alone is why he must be stopped at all costs.Forget every other issue. See what the God-o-meter has to say:


I guess you missed this part —

Somewhat surprised to hear Dennis Kucinich speaking against the separation of “spiritual values” and state in yesterday’s Democratic debate, God-o-Meter did some digging and discovered that the Catholic Kucinich grew up studying the lives of the saints and Scripture in Latin. In 2004, The Christian Science Monitor called him possibly the “most overtly spiritual of the Democratic candidates.” Oh what a difference three years makes.

If Paul is a theocrat, at least he reads and understands the Constitution, unlike Dennis the Twerp.

I also believe in the separation of corporation and state. American capitalism,isa creation of American government,with whom they have had a symbioticrelationship since the days of Alexander Hamilton.Something Paul wouldnever do.Ron Paul is an educated guy.He has read Mises and Rothbard,yethe holds up Milton Friedman,as a paragon of the free market.Nothing isfurther from the truth.I went last night,and am starting to lean moreand more towards Kucinich. Not ten minutes into his talk,Kucinichcondemns the corporate s tate.He won me over right there.

When has Kucinich EVER read Mises OR Rothbard?

Here’s a fun little read:
Would Ron Paul talk about this ?Or would he blindly agree with Rockwelland his ilk ? Kucinich said as long as we continue to shop atWalmart,for cheap Chinese junk,China will gladly bankroll our wars.

How do any of the subsidies mentioned in the report pass Constitutional muster?

And how many of the subsidies are handed out at the state and local level?

Ron Paul’s worshiping of the “free” market,is why he will not condemn Blackwater.What proof do I have ? See this : He has yet to come out with anything newer on Blackwater.He has been much too quiet on the subject.

Last time I checked, Dr. Paul has been hammering the Administration on the Iraq Occupation, which is a major source of Blackwater’s income.

And just how bad would Blackwater be if the company wasn’t contracted to the Bush Administration?

Then in the Q&A he talked about how American puppet governments in LatinAmerica were only an extension of the genocide Columbus and his ilk haddone 500 years earlier,which was why he would agree with abolishingColumbus day,once he was President.

Who here is stopping you from packing up and moving to Europe?

Who here is stopping you from turning over your home, car and other possessions to the nearest tribe of Siberian-Americans?

Watch this,if you have the guts.
Video here

Ever hear of TinyURL ? (Look it up on your own — and wipe your own ass for a change, while you’re at it.)

He also agreed American treatment of Mexicans,through illegal wars of conqueston Mexico,the Bracero program,NAFTA,CAFTA,are an accumulation of 160+years of maltreatment of Mexican people,as bad as anything done tonative people or African Americans.Kucinich agreed with this, and saida high-tech border wall will only compound these atrocities.The polaropposite of Ron Paul. And the 2 reason I cannot support Paul.As ananarchist,I do not believe in borders.The border issue alone,proves RonPaul is a bigger statist than Kucinich.

The noise about illegal immigration is simply addressing the symptoms instead of the cause.

As for “Ron Paul is a bigger statist than Kucinich,” I guess you missed Dennis’ proposal following the Virginia Tech massacre to ban civilian possession of handguns ?

Remember that Dennis is an avowed enemy of the individual right to own and carry weapons —

By signing up with the Kucinich campaign, you’re giving the same sort of jack-booted thugs that were killing people at Kent State, the 1985 MOVE house in Philadelphia, PA, Ruby Ridge, Waco and Rainbow Farm the power to point at your name on a computer screen and say, “This one dies.”

When will you post a “NO GUNS IN THIS HOUSE” sign in your front window or lawn?

Kucinich would be bigger than Ron Paul if he had half the grassroots supportPaul does.Capitalism is a failure.Socialism/communism is afailure.Conservatism is a failure. (Libertarianism is now coopted as asubsidiary of “The Conservative Movement.” Thanks in large part,to RonPaul.) Only Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich realize that we need tomove on beyond all of these failed ideologies.

Who’s “we” here?

And why is libertarianism “now coopted as a subsidiary of ‘TheConservative Movement.'” ? I haven’t considered myself a conservative for ten, twelve years now.

Sure, there are issues where libertarians and conservatives agree, just as there are issues where libertarians and liberals agree.

So I guess the conservatives will say that “Libertarianism is now coopted as a subsidiary of ‘The Liberal Movement.'” ?

Wendy McElroy calls Ron Paul supporters “Paul bearers of the libertarian movement.”I think that sums it up quite well.

Got a link?

Tom Knapp‘s commentary against Ron Paul actually makes some sense, from a libertarian perspective —

The truth is out there . . . but is it waaaaaay out there?
Incredibly Stupid Statement of the Day, 06/14/07

If it weren’t for L. Neil Smith advocating that the LP nominate “None Of The Above” for president and cross-endorse Ron Paul, I most likely wouldn’t be supporting Dr. Paul — Instead of a Speech

Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton are not so very far apart on health care.Bothare corporate shills.Guess what ? As an ex-libertarian,I believe inKucinich’s commie plan ! (GASP!) I have personally seen what highcopays from private employee- mandated health plans can do to someonewith severe chronic health problems. In this case my sister.She has adebt in the high five figures,due to compounding medical bills.She willbe paying on this like a mortgage for decades.Ahh the beauty of the”free” “market”!

Just ask Sala what a great deal she got while under the care of the British “National Health Service,” which is kind of like what Dennis wants to institute here in America.

I suspect that the main reason he’s not supporting Medicare Part D is that it was George Bush II that signed it into law, and not Al Gore or John Kerry.

Feel free to join the fray at these lists —

Ron Paul has been largely silent about American nuclear disarmament.Kucinichopenly supports it,and retooling labs like Sandia and Los Alamos forpeaceful means.Where is Ron Paul on this ?

Where in the Constitution are the labs mentioned in the first place? I’m guessing that the labs are covered under “forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings” ?

Another note — visitors have to register and log in to view his links page —

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What does he have to hide there?


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